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PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 7:51 pm 
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Your a joke to be honest. All your looking for..is money.

High CPU priority - So if you don't have that you got a crappy server?..what you have low priority servers whoever doesn't select that?
Ping Accelerator- Just a stupid sales pitch.
173.97 for a 32 man server.
Your out of your mind.
IF YOU MANAGED YOUR SERVERS PROPERLY MAYBE YOU WOULDN'T HAVE NEED TO USE PINGBOOSTERS.
Your not a top notch company. More like a 2nd notch company with alot of bs.

Also about BF2....You guys don't offer BF2 ranked servers.
Its maybe not because EA is not giving you ranked servers..its more like your servers would take a crap if it was going to host a 64 man ranked server.
And about bOoya's comment about
" EA seems to randomly choose hosts to call 'trusted partners' and allows only those partners to run ranked servers. "

Trust me...alot of providers are hosting ranked servers now.



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Funhoofs wrote:
Your a joke to be honest. All your looking for..is money.

I disagree. I think most would disagree.

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High CPU priority - So if you don't have that you got a crappy server?..what you have low priority servers whoever doesn't select that?

Actually, you'll find the answer to your question right there on the Price/order page (and in various places in the forums, etc). Hover your cursor over the "Info" button and you'll see this:

"High CPU priority will give your server less lag if the other servers on the machine (that aren't high priority) are full. This does not come into play very often because we do not overload our machines. Smaller servers do not benefit as much from high CPU priority because they do not use as much CPU in general."

It rarely comes up. I personally wouldn't buy it. But some people requested it, and we obliged.

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Ping Accelerator- Just a stupid sales pitch.

You must be joking. Jumping from 64 to 250 server-side FPS makes a huge, noticable difference. Please try both types of servers and see for yourself.

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173.97 for a 32 man server.
Your out of your mind.

No. Top-notch hardware and bandwidth are expensive, and we buy both. Please research this.

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IF YOU MANAGED YOUR SERVERS PROPERLY MAYBE YOU WOULDN'T HAVE NEED TO USE PINGBOOSTERS.

You do not understand what a ping booster is. If you did, you would also understand why ping acceleration provides a performance benefit regardless of how the server is managed. And we manage our servers very, very well.

We provide a description of the ping acceleration on our Price/order page and several explanations of how and why it works here in our forums.

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Your not a top notch company. More like a 2nd notch company with alot of bs.

I'd like to see some data to support this claim. You have provided only unsupported opinons so far, opinions that run contrary to what we see with our own eyes every day.

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Also about BF2....You guys don't offer BF2 ranked servers.

That is because EA stopped publicly accepting new BF2 server partners in July of 2005.

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Its maybe not because EA is not giving you ranked servers

Correct! EA is not accepting new partners, and hasn't been for some time. You can find numerous posts about that here in our forums; the search function will help if you don't want to wade through the thread listings.

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..its more like your servers would take a crap if it was going to host a 64 man ranked server.

You're suggesting that a quad-core machine running Opteron 285's or Xeon 5160's would "take a crap"?

Do you have any experience at all with this type of hardware?

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And about bOoya's comment about
" EA seems to randomly choose hosts to call 'trusted partners' and allows only those partners to run ranked servers. "

Trust me...alot of providers are hosting ranked servers now.

Based on what Ive seen so far, I trust little of what you say. booya is correct. To become a BF2 partner at this point requires knowing people at EA and having significant personal contact with those people, likely along with some "incentives" thrown in their direction. We do not personally know anyone at EA.

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Don't take my comments personally...Its just what i see from my point of view.

I try not to take anything I read on the internet personally.

We would appreciate it if you tried our service and compared it to other providers before posting a flame with inaccurate and misleading information.


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lol i got pwnt. I admit.


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0.00 92.35 148.34 422 430 245.92 17

245 FPS gameserver run on Dual AMD Opteron 244 processors and 2 gigabytes of RAM. If Edge100x had not already shot down and smashed your points Funhoofs, I would have done it myself.

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"High CPU priority will give your server less lag if the other servers on the machine (that aren't high priority) are full. This does not come into play very often because we do not overload our machines. Smaller servers do not benefit as much from high CPU priority because they do not use as much CPU in general."


Why Would you Offer Something That Doesent Come Into Play Very Often? Has there Been Issues in the Past where you have overloaded your servers?? If so when and how often?


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No. Top-notch hardware and bandwidth are expensive, and we buy both. Please research this.


Top-Notch Hardware ?? What are you comparing that to exactly?. Put a 286 beside an Pentium I and the PI could be considered "Top Notch" in that comparison

Put a 2400 buad modem vs 56k. In that Line up 56k is a hell of a lot faster than 2400 baud modem and that would be considered "top notch" Im not saying you guys dont have a good service I would like to see what you compare your service too something like Saying NFO has hardware and bandwidth such as ..." " and then gameservers has hardware and bandwidth that is " ".

I mean sure I could do the research. But.....

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I'd like to see some data to support this claim. You have provided only unsupported opinons so far, opinions that run contrary to what we see with our own eyes every day.


That person has to show data for his claim so can i see some conclusive apples to apples data on your claim of top-notch hardware?


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We would appreciate it if you tried our service and compared it to other providers before posting a flame with inaccurate and misleading information.


I myself used to be with clanservers and noticed ups and downs with both NFO and Clanservers. So Ive done that before I have already come to my own consluions and have compared your servers vs competors. But I am not going to relay just on that alone seeing that I dont have any exp. with any of this type of hardware or server managment or access and ability to have this kind of bandwidth.

So Im a little confused how you ask people that you generally know have little to none experence with this type of hardware or bandwidth and say we should be comparing the servers when someone who doesnt know the nutz and bolts is basically just comparing ping and registry? Is that a fair way to compare you to them? I bet theres more behind it than that.




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Why Would you Offer Something That Doesent Come Into Play Very Often?

Simple customer demand. It's sort of like an insurance policy.

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Has there Been Issues in the Past where you have overloaded your servers?? If so when and how often?

We don't overload our servers, and I can't think of a time in recent memory when we've had an overloaded machine. Our load-balancing systems do a very good job of avoiding the condition through early action.

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Top-Notch Hardware ?? What are you comparing that to exactly?. Put a 286 beside an Pentium I and the PI could be considered "Top Notch" in that comparison

Our hardware is top-notch in comparison to what else is available for sale on the market today. We also compare it to what we see on competitors' websites, what we hear in statements our competitors make in private chat, and what we have see in documents from our competitors that are covered under NDAs.

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I would like to see what you compare your service too something like Saying NFO has hardware and bandwidth such as ... and then gameservers has hardware and bandwidth that is .

Rather than starting quarrels with an individual competitor by singling it out, we prefer speak more generally and spend the time saved on not arguing on more important issues such as customer support, system upgrades, and software development.

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I myself used to be with clanservers and noticed ups and downs with both NFO and Clanservers. So Ive done that before I have already come to my own consluions and have compared your servers vs competors.

Testing a single server from each of two companies is hardly an exhaustive test, so hopefully you didn't draw too many conclusions ;). We do recommend it as a good first step and something that everyone should do, but if you were to post an actual review of the two companies, I'd recommend testing some more. For instance, did you compare different locations and different bandwidth types? Different types of servers, both in terms of games and in terms of acceleration? Did you compare the control panel and service levels? The free addons such as the website? Did you experience a hardware failure and see how well each company reacted to it? A routing glitch and see whether each company was able to determine the cause and correct it?

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But I am not going to relay just on that alone seeing that I dont have any exp. with any of this type of hardware or server managment or access and ability to have this kind of bandwidth.

We have extensive experience with those topics here, as one of the oldest and largest GSPs.

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So Im a little confused how you ask people that you generally know have little to none experence with this type of hardware or bandwidth and say we should be comparing the servers when someone who doesnt know the nutz and bolts is basically just comparing ping and registry? Is that a fair way to compare you to them? I bet theres more behind it than that.

I simply responded to what was posted, and showed point-by-point the flaws in reasoning. Quite simply, the OP was making statements that were unsupportable based on his experience level (which appeared to be at about the "I skimmed the website page" stage), and that also ran contrary to what we've seen here. Had he restricted himself to opinions based on supportable facts, he would not have been open to refutation.

My post seemed to clear things up and I should probably have closed the thread at that point, because I'd rather move on to other things.


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ive been hosting servers since around beta2.1 I upgraded my SDSL to 1.5/1.5 business class for around $400 a month in order to support a 20 player server. I found it was much more economical to use game hosts.
The first hosted sever I tried was NFO. When Source was finally released I added a source server. When we needed a 3rd server, i felt NFO was too expensive, so I shopped around. Over a 4 month period I tried and dumped 3 other companies. Most had junk for control panels, If Psychostats was offered, it was uneditable and an advertisement for thier companies, as was the pathetic webspace offered by one of them. I dont think the other two even offered webspace. Since my members are spread out through Washington, Alaska and Canada, there have been connection problems from time to time for a few of my members. After submitting a tracrt to NFO for them, NFO had Internap re-route them and they had better pings than before the trouble started.
Yes there are cheaper servers out there and I would recomend to everyone to try one. Then try NFO and you will know why they cost more.
As for High Priority CPU, look at it as insurance.
Ive been back with NFO for a few years now for both my severs and have no more plans to experiment.

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Ever wonder why a RedRobin burger cost more than a McDonalds burger?


I did what you did too...i tryed many hosts...
GS,Velocity ( i didn't stay with velocity more than 3 hours they blow)
NFo is the way to go..once you try NFo servers you just can't get enough of them.

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Let me give you a more elaborate comparison

Most GSP's
- Intel Xeon (pre-woodcrest)
- Manufactured by Dell with little or no customization.
- Level3 bandwidth almost always. Never InterNAP (very expensive bandwidth)
- Basic control panels (usually TCAdmin control panel) - http://www.tcadmin.com/
- If customized control panels, very poorly developed.
- No ability to sync files from gameserver to webserver.
- Switching locations via a "support ticket"
- Rarely live chat - if so, only sales - if support, rarely on
- Overloaded and unstable machines
- Little/No website given
- No SQL databases allowed, letalone features for clearing SQL/Webspace
- Rarely auto-install features - most things through "support tickets" that take 1-2 business days(sometimes quicker)...
- Poor service - no one responds in IRC/Chat/Forums...

Now, NFo
- Newest Intel Xeon woodcrests and best AMD Opteron (http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/06/26/ ... n_opteron/)
- Custom made (not OEM designed)
- Custom bandwidth through InterNAP (http://www.internap.com/about/clients/page827.html)
- In-house control panel with complete and utter strength and functionality.
- Sync files from server to webserver (2 GB free webspace w/ subdomain)
- Auto-install forums/php-nuke, etc...
- SQL db supported
- Switching locations a BREEZE by ordering a new server and if there is a price difference, it is reflected - otherwise, location moved in minutes.
- No support tickets - live chat available almost always.
- If not live chat, live MIRC - if not that, e-mail John(Edge100x)/Tom(To_mas) (owners) DIRECTLY - even forums
- Machines underloaded if anything. AMD Opteron 285's/244, Intel Woodcrest 5160's... plus 2-4 GB ram
- Service almost always available, very knowledgable support staff.

Now, you tell me who you actually think is a better deal - NFo or the other guys.

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BnD forgot about..the control panel shows how much load the system is on..so you actually will know if your server is overloaded or not..personally my server average load is about 15-20% max..this woodys just kick ass.
its accurate..the control panel just kicks ass.

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